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  1. Hey Everybody, I just finished up a DIY table for my Vision Grills Classic B Kamado and I figured I'd post it for anyone else who's looking for a table build for their Vision. I did quite a bit of searching before I started this project, and I had a hard time finding anything customized for the Vision. The plans I based this build off of come from Naked Whiz's site: http://www.nakedwhiz.com/tableplans/tableplans.htm . Thanks to him for giving out great info. This build seemed easy to me and gave me a great work space that I had been lacking with the Vision cart and fold-up side tables. First things first, a few very important aspects I changed from the plans are: Using 4x4 lumber for the legs and Using 2x4 lumber for all of the framing and bracing. (All the decking is just 1x6) I'm kind of surprised that people build these tables out of "1 by" dimensional lumber, including the legs sometimes. So I wanted to make this thing beeeeefy. With the changes in the lumber used to build this thing, we divert from the plans quite a bit, but the plans are a great starting point and theory to follow. (Note: All of the lumber I used was pressure treated - the wood with the green stuff on it - from Home Depot. Pressure treated lumber stands up better to exterior use than non-treated lumber, and was much cheaper for me than a wood species such as Cedar. I probably spent about $60 on the wood, total. For those wondering, this whole build easily cost me less than $150 - $35 of that being the stain/seal) For the top and bottom frames, here are some of the measurements I used (instead of what was on the plans): 2x4's for length of table - 57" All 2x4's for width - 25" The added length and width was to accommodate the bigger Vision (22.5" Diam.) vs the BGE Large (21" Diam.) and to squeeze in larger lumber. These measurements are on the attached PDF file for all of our visual learners. A lot of the other measurements are "plug" numbers really, just make sure you'll have room for the circle you'll cut on the top. My circle is 22.5" to 23" Diameter depending where you measure and it's snug, but dead center front to back and side to side (based on the framing for that portion of the table). Another number that needs to be changed is the "Dimension X" figure, which is the distance between the top of the upper deck and the top of the lower deck. For the pavers I used, I set my Dimension X at 16". and it's almost perfect. This is obviously a number you can measure for and adjust, just make sure your table is level in the end. I had dimensions in mind when I built the table so that I could easily find a cover for it (Approx. 58"x28"). The table is just a tad smaller than the XL BGE table, so there's plenty of covers for it, but no way was I paying for the BGE brand cover. Amazon for the win, here's a link to a cover that I feel is pretty robust and will last at least 5 years in the direct Florida sun: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00XZZI1E4/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o02_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1 . Another small touch I added was to get a nomex roll and line the inside of the cutout on the table top (see final pic). Just in case, so the wood doesn't scorch and it's some added bump protection for the grill. Here's the one I got from, again, Amazon: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00OAG2AV2/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o01_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1 . The inset tile on the table top is for placing down hot items, such as an Adjustable Rig from the Ceramic Grill Store (which I'll soon hopefully "acquire"). It's 18"x18" and porcelain, which will stand up to the heat, and it cost me all of $2. If you want to get real fancy, get yourself a scrap piece of granite at a local stone supplier and have them cut it down to spec for you (anticipate about a $50 cost - if you can do better, well then good for you!). The plans call for framing it out and adding 1" cleats around the edges to support it. I felt that wasn't adequate support for the middle and added a 2x4 going straight through the middle of the opening (see rough finish pic), then added cleats at opposite ends. I'm not worried at all anymore if this opening could support something, I actually had the whole grill on top of the tile while I stained/sealed the table. Risky? Nah. The large paver under the grill is a 24"x24" paver from my local Home Depot. Easy to acquire and cost like $5. The smaller bricks under the grill are to provide adequate airflow so that there's negligible heat transfer to the large paver and then to the wood on the table. I've read about guys pulling up their paver and the wood is scorched under it since the grill was directly on it. I also noticed the felt on my Vision cart that was under the grill was a tad scorched when I pulled the grill out. Now, there's a few kamado makers out there like Kamado Joe, Primo and BGE who make "feet" for their grills. I looked around for these, and while they are specifically made for this purpose, no way was I paying $30-$40 for a set of 4 feet. Instead, I grabbed me four 1.25" thick pavers (I believe they are 4"x8") while at Home Depot for a whopping total of......$1.50. Now, one of the more expensive parts of this build was the stain and seal, only because I had to buy a whole gallon of it when I needed maybe a quart. I will totally use the rest on some other builds I have coming up for exterior furniture. I found some stuff made by Thompson's that works with pressure treated lumber, and was in stock at my Home Depot. They make a few colors, and I went with the walnut. I anticipated that the stain would be much darker than it was, but I'm thinking the wood still hadn't "dried out" completely from all the treatment liquids, thus not letting the Thompson's really set in and provide the dark color I was going for. Still though, I do like the color and the protection is nice, even though I'll have it covered. Here's a link: http://www.homedepot.com/p/Thompson-s-WaterSeal-1-gal-Natural-Penetrating-Timber-Oil-TH-049801-16/206023511 . I intended to add wheels to this build so that I could easily move the table around, and I'll get to it in the future. Right now it came down to cost and a struggle I had with how to install the wheels. I originally wanted to buy four pneumatic casters between 8" and 10" (two swivel and two fixed). Best price I could find for some decently rated wheels...about $30...each! (https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B002VTAP76/ref=pd_sim_469_1?ie=UTF8&pd_rd_i=B002VTAP76&pd_rd_r=9427Z1Z9NH3ZQ7QH0ZM6&pd_rd_w=0ZltW&pd_rd_wg=xGbzA&psc=1&refRID=9427Z1Z9NH3ZQ7QH0ZM6) So we're looking at more for the wheels than the whole table...reminds of those ghetto gunships with the huge rims that roll down MLK boulevard down here...funny joke, don't get offended so easily, they're just words, rub some dirt on it. Anyways, with those casters, I was worried that by screwing them into the ends of the 4x4 lumber, that the screws wouldn't have much "support" with the wood grain coming straight on, instead of sideways. Screw grabbing power is much different depending on (hold on tight, crazy words ahead) parallel vs. perpendicular wood grain. Not to mention, the table must weigh almost 400lbs with everything loaded on. So I'll work on how to get some wheels on this thing in the future. For the joinery, I used my Kreg HD kit, which is made for 2x4 and 4x4 pocket hole joinery. A regular Kreg Jig won't be able to accomodate the larger lumber. I also used the Kreg HD screws since they are coated for exterior use. On some of the bracing and where the bottom level attaches to the 4x4, I employed some 3.5" deck screws from Home Depot. This thing is bombproof, and I probably went way overboard, but I feel safe knowing that my grill "ain't goin nowhere". Kreg links: Kreg HD - https://www.amazon.com/Kreg-Tool-Company-KJHD-Jig/dp/B008CQ59GY/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1477000077&sr=8-3&keywords=kreg+hd (you'll need a Kreg face clamp as well for this thing to work. The face clamp comes in handy for a bunch of other projects.) HD Screws - https://www.amazon.com/Kreg-Tool-Company-SML-C2X250-125-Pocket/dp/B008CQBYGI/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1477000077&sr=8-4&keywords=kreg+hd I'm sure I left something out here, and I'm sure someone will remind me, but I hope that this write up can at least help somebody. I know I was grasping at air when I first started looking for plans to build myself. Here's to the table's maiden voyage tonight with a brisket! Happy Cooking Everyone Table Schem.10202016.pdf
  2. Hi Guys, So I've been following a lot of guys on here and got inspired to build a table for my Akorn, I'm not a work worker by any stretch but I have learned a lot along the way. I'm almost done with the build. July 5th will be the day I complete it. I used white pine on most of it totaling in $170 in wood alone. (All from the lumber yard) about $70 in hardware/Stain,prep etc.. It was supposed to be a simple build but as I went along I kept changing and adding as I went. Hope you guys like it. Stain I used which Im not entirely happy with is Thompson water Seal Natural Cedar tone. (The pigment was hard to lay down- steaks, darker areas) Added slots in the 2x4 so the Akron flanges can rest flush and secure Now for the Test Fit! Looking good! I really wanted to add doors but wast sure how to keep GOOD airflow while smoking low and slow So....Im cane up with screens! Added a frame the stapled the screen to the inside of the frame and then screwed in for a clean look. So far so good. Going to be adding led light inside and adding the hooks and Akorn and she'll be done!
  3. I have a kitchen table that we made out of prefab pine legs, a pine frame, and spare pine flooring as the top. Made over a year ago, it has never been stained or treated, and is sitting out in the shed against the wall. Then, fate brought me the Akorn and an idea... I normally don't need a table, the side tables do me just fine, but with football season starting next weekend, I'm thinking about cutting a U-shape out of this table and treating/painting it (possibly Razorback red/white) so I can just slide the U around the grill during ball games at the house or tailgate. I'll probably put it back in the shed when it's not a game day because I really don't need the excess surface area and would want to preserve the table for as long as possible. Also, the U will still be there if/when I upgrade to a more expensive kamado. For the woodwork savvy people, a few questions: 1) Can this pine even be treated enough to withstand the humidity and elements of Arkansas? 2) Will the flooring end up splitting/shredding a lot when cutting across it? 3) Are there other issues I may run into that I'm not aware of? For everyone else, does the U-shape seem like a good idea? It makes more sense to me than having to reassemble the grill every time I want to move it somewhere without the table.
  4. I'm considering taking our very basic backyard deck and doing something different with it that improves the use of the space. I want to add a couple grills and I want to no longer be held hostage by the rain. I've drooled over some of the outstanding outdoor kitchens I've seen some of you utilize and always think...."hey, there's a cool idea.....wow look at what they can do with that......."...etc, etc. Were I financially wealthy, I'd simply make a phone call to the professionals and turn it over to them and wait for the big reveal like they do on HGTV shows. I'm not flush with dinero, however, so the professional resource I'm taping into are you, my fellow KG Kamadomaniacs.....if you don't mind helping. I promise I'll value your input and appreciate your insight ....you will not break a sweat nor get snagged on splinters. You may hurt yourself laughing at my limited carpentry skills....so be warned. I'll get actual measurements and pictures of the current area this weekend for you to see what's there and get your wheels turning. For starters I'd like to find some "deck design" software. I was hoping to cut through a bunch of trial & error downloading and evaluating various software applications for this purpose. Hopefully you can suggest a tried & true version that's possibly been vetted by one or more KG Kamadomaniacs. I'm all Mac, so that is a requirement. I need to be able to show both overhead and elevation views. What I am hoping to do is better visualize and plan for a few simple, yet highly useful-functional changes to the backyard deck. The software will help me in a number of ways. I see that some titles actually offer running measurement calculations, allow for paint/stain color detail, 3D views and etc. Such designs can be easily altered, amended and ultimately submitted for approval by the HOA-Headquarters BHFPIC before a single nail is driven. This is also a requirement.....in fact, it can be argued that the approval from said committee is the ONLY requirement. The BHFPIC is in charge of virtually all aspects of our HOA subgroups, too: fairways & greens, new construction, entertainment budgeting and has even taking a firm say in menu selection. BHFPIC, is actually the one who hatched this whole grilling area idea in the first place. I'm grateful. Looking back over the years most every substantial improvement has been due to the ideas of the Blonde-Haired-Female-Person-In-Charge. I'm a great "idea" guy, but I tend to jump around and make revisions and changes and often the final result has morphed way different than the original plan. This can wreck a timeline & budget and is prone to exclusion of meeting all needs. I'm hoping my fellow KG Kamadomaniacs input and ideas here will safeguard against this. More detail that is fleshed out in the planning stages will better ensure that this new space is a success. Thanks for reading and know that I really do value your input. Obviously I'd not be able to go in every direction.....but will certainly be following our ideas and suggestions with keen consideration. I'll get those measurements & pics up this weekend. Thank you !!!!!
  5. I'm planning and designing a wood table for my new Kamado. I initially sketched up a 3' x 5' table, but the more I think about it, the larger I want to make it. I wanted something simple and not too bulky, so I'm thinking maybe I want to incorporate an extend-out portion for when I want more work or layout space when prepping or cutting the smoked goods. Something that doesn't need an additional leg support. I was thinking to make something like a cantilever with supporting arm that integrates with the table top. Like some dining room tables do (without a hinge or 45 degree bracket). Anyone build something similar? Another Idea I have is to also incorporate a stainless steel holding area (chafing dish type) recessed in the table and adjacent to the cutting area. Not sure on what size chafing dish to use to keep it practical and not hoard all the work space on the table top. I was also thinking to allow enough space under the chafing dish (in the table) for the sterno fuel containers. I'll post some plans when I get all my ideas on paper. The only reason I was thinking of incorporating the chafing dish is because I use my Weber grill a lot, and I always have a pot handy to keep the food warm when finished cooking (I know the meat still cooks when coming off the fire). Is there any reason NOT to have a holding pan for smoked Kamado goods. I don't plan on using the Kamado for grilling, only smoking, so appreciate any feedback on my different ideas. Added Idea - Feature: Storage bins for wood. Do the holding bins for the smoking wood/chips need to be air tight? I was also thinking to incorporate some sliding bins for the different smoking woods. Can these wood bins be perferated type bins? Is moisture/humidity a large factor when smoking with wood? We have a temperate climate in Hawaii, so exposed woods do absorb some moisure if left out in the open. Mahalo! (Thank You!) Carl
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