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Being the grillaholic that I am I lifted all of the gas grills that were at the store that I went to. I always look at t he grates and heat delivery system

 

I have one of the last years that Members Mark made a true infrared gas grill. If I were in the market for a new gas grill this would be my top choice.

 

It is essentially the Grill Grates engineered from scratch as a gas cooking surface.  The demo for the store was the SABER grill but it was all gunked up like the grill grates have been for me at times.

 

In this video however they claim that buring off the grates at the end eliminates this problem. 

 

In addition it is made from prime quality stainless and not out of reach price wise if you consider the durability. I am not paid or in any way connected to Saber Grills.

 

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Well Freddyj seeing as you own all possible sized KJ Kamados --- well yeah.

 

I am in agreement with you.

 

The thing is some of our members have cut down their Kamado arsenal and added a gas grill. IMO this will likely kick the legendary Weber gas grill in both durability and cooking results. I have repaired my neighbors Weber. The parts are expendable.

 

As far as a gas grill I might try this and call BS---- but it looks promising if one is cooking on gas and I really haven't-- since using a Kamado except for the direct infrared for browning a steak from time to time.

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Alrighty, let me see if I get this. These are a stainless steel version of a grill grates like product that you can burn off the gunk so it doesn't build up? And it is only for gas grills?

Am I paraphrasing properly?

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Well Freddyj seeing as you own all possible sized KJ Kamados --- well yeah.

I am in agreement with you.

The thing is some of our members have cut down their Kamado arsenal and added a gas grill. IMO this will likely kick the legendary Weber gas grill in both durability and cooking results. I have repaired my neighbors Weber. The parts are expendable.

Pretty sure that you already know what I did last month... sold my KJ Classic and bought a new Weber Genesis. And then I completely swapped out the stock grates for GrillGrates. I had the option to buy a Saber, which, by the way, are very nice! Why did I go the route I did? I know Weber! I know they'll be around to take care of any issues that arise! The total setup was a bit less than the Saber. With the GGs on the Weber, it's very similar to the Saber. I have been very happy with the decision I made...I use the Genesis a lot, and am very happy with its performance.

But, my 1st love is still JOE! ;-)

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Huh?

Alrighty, let me see if I get this. These are a stainless steel version of a grill grates like product that you can burn off the gunk so it doesn't build up? And it is only for gas grills?

Am I paraphrasing properly?

Exactly Ben, as you know I could give a rats @$$ what anyone cooks on or there opinions on what I cook on (or anything else I do/don't do for that matter). I am interested in the grill grates products and know that there is a point in there somewhere, just not all that clear on the first pass through (hence the 'huh.')

Anywho, cool-looking gasser though :)

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Well Freddyj seeing as you own all possible sized KJ Kamados --- well yeah.

I am in agreement with you.

The thing is some of our members have cut down their Kamado arsenal and added a gas grill. IMO this will likely kick the legendary Weber gas grill in both durability and cooking results. I have repaired my neighbors Weber. The parts are expendable.

Pretty sure that you already know what I did last month... sold my KJ Classic and bought a new Weber Genesis. And then I completely swapped out the stock grates for GrillGrates. I had the option to buy a Saber, which, by the way, are very nice! Why did I go the route I did? I know Weber! I know they'll be around to take care of any issues that arise! The total setup was a bit less than the Saber. With the GGs on the Weber, it's very similar to the Saber. I have been very happy with the decision I made...I use the Genesis a lot, and am very happy with its performance.

But, my 1st love is still JOE! ;-)

 

 Rob i did know that you were going to trade out a KJ for a gasser. I did not know that you set it up with grill grates. i am glad to hear that you are happy with the result.

 

The Saber is the first grill IMO that has pushed the technology of gas grilling in quite awhile.

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There have been variations of this idea in the gas grill market for years now. Infrared grilling is a huge buzzword. Some do it better than others. While this Saber is surely a fine grill, I don't see the need to call it the "Weber dethroner" quite yet. Consistency and durability over time are the true tests of any grill. And nearly any grill will cook a fine meal when it's new. How does a 15-yr-old Saber cook? Well, we just don't know. Webers we definitely do.

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Alrighty, let me see if I get this. These are a stainless steel version of a grill grates like product that you can burn off the gunk so it doesn't build up? And it is only for gas grills?

Am I paraphrasing properly?

 You have a grill that they claim is made from 100% 304 stainless. So no parts to replace. It is an infrared type burner design that cooks like the grill grates. Each burner has its own temp gauge and they claim because of the design you can be screaming hot on one burner and cooking at low temps on the next with out heat cross over. Each burner has its own temp gauge for what ever that turns out to be.

 

It looks to me that it is a real advancement in gas grill technology. IMO you have a much wider range of heat control than with the honey comb ceramic infrared like I have. Also the burner grates can be removed and cleaned if needed. With my ceramic honey comb the food falls into the burner and burns up but over time there is build up.

 

Is it better than a Kamado not IMO. Will i go out and buy one not really. I will say this----. where I looked at it-- they do demo cooks on the BGE--The Black Olive pellet smoker---and the Saber and they say that they really like the Saber.

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There have been variations of this idea in the gas grill market for years now. Infrared grilling is a huge buzzword. Some do it better than others. While this Saber is surely a fine grill, I don't see the need to call it the "Weber dethroner" quite yet. Consistency and durability over time are the true tests of any grill. And nearly any grill will cook a fine meal when it's new. How does a 15-yr-old Saber cook? Well, we just don't know. Webers we definitely do.

Biggest reason I went with Weber/GrillGrates.  I have used both. I have dealt with both companies. I am comfortable with both.

 

Saber is owned by Charbroil.  I'll be the 1st to admit, the Saber gets great reviews from some trusted names.  And, I understand that it's not fair to compare the Saber to an entry level Charbroil grill... but the thought still left a sour taste in my mouth.

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There have been variations of this idea in the gas grill market for years now. Infrared grilling is a huge buzzword. Some do it better than others. While this Saber is surely a fine grill, I don't see the need to call it the "Weber dethroner" quite yet. Consistency and durability over time are the true tests of any grill. And nearly any grill will cook a fine meal when it's new. How does a 15-yr-old Saber cook? Well, we just don't know. Webers we definitely do.

I just re-built my neighbors Weber. All of the ignition tubes were rusted away and replacing them was a real job. He asked me to help him after the grill exploded in his daughter's face from delayed ignition.

 

The way that they were installed made me have to take a lot more of the grill apart than i should have had to.If there were just a couple of alterations that could have been an easy job but no they were mounted into a slide out tray assembly that required a lot of unnecessary removal of parts. and disconnecting the gas line. In looking at it it probably was set up for assembly. Slide the whole unit in and proceed with the rest of the assembly.

 

Perhaps I over stated the issue. Weber has a name that is legendary and they charge for that reputation.Hey they are not going any where. It they see the need they will make adjustments and just keep on going.

 

When i looked at it--- the entire Saber grill  it seemed to be built out of materials that will not rust out and its price for the quality is very good--IF you are in the market for a gas grill.

 

I happen to think the new grate design looks very well thought out--- but I have not cooked on it. It is not lost on me that the video was designed to sell grills BUT it was from The Garden Gates and not Saber. Hey TGG carries Kamado Joe also.

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There have been variations of this idea in the gas grill market for years now. Infrared grilling is a huge buzzword. Some do it better than others. While this Saber is surely a fine grill, I don't see the need to call it the "Weber dethroner" quite yet. Consistency and durability over time are the true tests of any grill. And nearly any grill will cook a fine meal when it's new. How does a 15-yr-old Saber cook? Well, we just don't know. Webers we definitely do.

Biggest reason I went with Weber/GrillGrates.  I have used both. I have dealt with both companies. I am comfortable with both.

 

Saber is owned by Charbroil.  I'll be the 1st to admit, the Saber gets great reviews from some trusted names.  And, I understand that it's not fair to compare the Saber to an entry level Charbroil grill... but the thought still left a sour taste in my mouth.

 

 

i did not know that Charbroil is the manufacturer. That would give me some hesitation.

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There have been variations of this idea in the gas grill market for years now. Infrared grilling is a huge buzzword. Some do it better than others. While this Saber is surely a fine grill, I don't see the need to call it the "Weber dethroner" quite yet. Consistency and durability over time are the true tests of any grill. And nearly any grill will cook a fine meal when it's new. How does a 15-yr-old Saber cook? Well, we just don't know. Webers we definitely do.

I just re-built my neighbors Weber. All of the ignition tubes were rusted away and replacing them was a real job. He asked me to help him after the grill exploded in his daughter's face from delayed ignition.

 

The way that they were installed made me have to take a lot more of the grill apart than i should have had to.If there were just a couple of alterations that could have been an easy job but no they were mounted into a slide out tray assembly that required a lot of unnecessary removal of parts. and disconnecting the gas line.

 

Perhaps I over stated the issue. Weber has a name that is legendary and they charge for that reputation.Hey they are not going any where.

 

When i looked at it the entire Saber grill  it seemed to be built out of materials that will not rust out and its price for the quality is very good--IF you are in the market for a gas grill.

 

I happen to think the new grate design look very well thought out--- but I have not cooked on it. It is not lost on me that the video was designed to sell grills BUT it was from The Garden Gates and not Saber. Hey TGG carries Kamado Joe also.

 

Funny you mention The Garden Gates.  Prior to buying my Weber, I had a lengthy conversation with Chad (owner of Garden Gates) about the Saber.  He really likes it, and cooks for his staff almost daily using a Saber.  Knowing that he also has a lot of experience cooking on a Kamado Joe.. I asked him, "In your opinion, whats the difference between cooking on the Saber, and a Kamado Joe decked out with GrillGrates?"  His answer, "not much."  That comment kind of solidified my decision to buy the Weber and deck it out with GG's.  He simply left me with the impression that GrillGrates give the same result.  Prior to that comment, I was sooooo close to buying the Saber CAST 500. 

 

Fast forward 15 years... assuming it's time to replace my Weber... and assuming that Saber is now a house-hold name... I have a feeling I may very well find a Saber sitting in my backyard, right next to my 16 year old bigJOE that still looks/cooks as good as the day I bought it.  :-)

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There have been variations of this idea in the gas grill market for years now. Infrared grilling is a huge buzzword. Some do it better than others. While this Saber is surely a fine grill, I don't see the need to call it the "Weber dethroner" quite yet. Consistency and durability over time are the true tests of any grill. And nearly any grill will cook a fine meal when it's new. How does a 15-yr-old Saber cook? Well, we just don't know. Webers we definitely do.

I just re-built my neighbors Weber. All of the ignition tubes were rusted away and replacing them was a real job. He asked me to help him after the grill exploded in his daughter's face from delayed ignition.

 

The way that they were installed made me have to take a lot more of the grill apart than i should have had to.If there were just a couple of alterations that could have been an easy job but no they were mounted into a slide out tray assembly that required a lot of unnecessary removal of parts. and disconnecting the gas line.

 

Perhaps I over stated the issue. Weber has a name that is legendary and they charge for that reputation.Hey they are not going any where.

 

When i looked at it the entire Saber grill  it seemed to be built out of materials that will not rust out and its price for the quality is very good--IF you are in the market for a gas grill.

 

I happen to think the new grate design look very well thought out--- but I have not cooked on it. It is not lost on me that the video was designed to sell grills BUT it was from The Garden Gates and not Saber. Hey TGG carries Kamado Joe also.

 

Funny you mention The Garden Gates.  Prior to buying my Weber, I had a lengthy conversation with Chad (owner of Garden Gates) about the Saber.  He really likes it, and cooks for his staff almost daily using a Saber.  Knowing that he also has a lot of experience cooking on a Kamado Joe.. I asked him, "In your opinion, whats the difference between cooking on the Saber, and a Kamado Joe decked out with GrillGrates?"  His answer, "not much."  That comment kind of solidified my decision to buy the Weber and deck it out with GG's.  He simply left me with the impression that GrillGrates give the same result.  Prior to that comment, I was sooooo close to buying the Saber CAST 500. 

 

Fast forward 15 years... assuming it's time to replace my Weber... and assuming that Saber is now a house-hold name... I have a feeling I may very well find a Saber sitting in my backyard, right next to my 16 year old bigJOE that still looks/cooks as good as the day I bought it.  :-)

 

 

So Rob now that you are set up with the Weber and dedicated Grill Grates do you find that you use it a lot? What items work the best on the Weber? What is you experience as compared to the KJ?

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There have been variations of this idea in the gas grill market for years now. Infrared grilling is a huge buzzword. Some do it better than others. While this Saber is surely a fine grill, I don't see the need to call it the "Weber dethroner" quite yet. Consistency and durability over time are the true tests of any grill. And nearly any grill will cook a fine meal when it's new. How does a 15-yr-old Saber cook? Well, we just don't know. Webers we definitely do.

I just re-built my neighbors Weber. All of the ignition tubes were rusted away and replacing them was a real job. He asked me to help him after the grill exploded in his daughter's face from delayed ignition.

 

The way that they were installed made me have to take a lot more of the grill apart than i should have had to.If there were just a couple of alterations that could have been an easy job but no they were mounted into a slide out tray assembly that required a lot of unnecessary removal of parts. and disconnecting the gas line.

 

Perhaps I over stated the issue. Weber has a name that is legendary and they charge for that reputation.Hey they are not going any where.

 

When i looked at it the entire Saber grill  it seemed to be built out of materials that will not rust out and its price for the quality is very good--IF you are in the market for a gas grill.

 

I happen to think the new grate design look very well thought out--- but I have not cooked on it. It is not lost on me that the video was designed to sell grills BUT it was from The Garden Gates and not Saber. Hey TGG carries Kamado Joe also.

 

Funny you mention The Garden Gates.  Prior to buying my Weber, I had a lengthy conversation with Chad (owner of Garden Gates) about the Saber.  He really likes it, and cooks for his staff almost daily using a Saber.  Knowing that he also has a lot of experience cooking on a Kamado Joe.. I asked him, "In your opinion, whats the difference between cooking on the Saber, and a Kamado Joe decked out with GrillGrates?"  His answer, "not much."  That comment kind of solidified my decision to buy the Weber and deck it out with GG's.  He simply left me with the impression that GrillGrates give the same result.  Prior to that comment, I was sooooo close to buying the Saber CAST 500. 

 

Fast forward 15 years... assuming it's time to replace my Weber... and assuming that Saber is now a house-hold name... I have a feeling I may very well find a Saber sitting in my backyard, right next to my 16 year old bigJOE that still looks/cooks as good as the day I bought it.  :-)

 

 

So Rob now that you are set up with the Weber and dedicated Grill Grates do you find that you use it a lot? What items work the best on the Weber? What is you experience as compared to the KJ?

 

Good question Marty!

 

I pretty much had this same setup a few years ago... and used it a ton prior to selling it to help fund my KJ Big Joe a little over a year ago.  The only difference was that I had the GrillGrates sitting on top of the existing grates, not as a complete replacement.

 

So now that I've had the Big Joe and Weber sitting side-by-side for the past month, how do I use them?

 

KJ Big Joe:  ALL big hunks of meat are done on the KJ (Tri-Tip, Ribs, Brisket, Butt, Whole Chickens, etc). There is no comparing BIG hunks'o'meat done over a live lump charcoal fire w/ a chunk or 2 of oak!!  Another thing that is almost exclusively done on the KJ is screaming hot sears... I have yet to experience a better sear then what the KJ does so easily.  And of course, any and all baking/roasting is done on the KJ.

 

Weber w/GrillGrates: Pretty much all of my weeknight grilling is now done on the Weber, with outstanding results. When I say weeknight grilling, I am talking about any non-big hunk'o'meat.  I also use the Weber for pretty much all veggies.  Also, I can easily flip the GG's over and have a 500+ sq inch griddle with VERY even heat.  Another thing I love... gas grills are known for flare-ups... that is pretty much non-existent with the setup that I have. 

 

Bottomline: The KJ/Weber combo seems to have been a great decision for my families lifestyle.  The 2 are meeting our needs quite nicely :-)

 

Oh yeah... didn't even mention the PBC... but that's a whole-nuther conversation ;-)

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