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One update to this.  That Fire & Smoke Society Thundering Longhorn rub is good stuff.  I used it the other day on a London Broil that was only about 1" think so it was just a hot sear to Medium done, that might be my go to beef rub for awhile.  If you are looking for a solid beef rub that is good on brisket, steaks, and such that's a good one.  I found it at Walmart definitely recommend, I'm probably going to sample some of their other options as well for pork and chicken, but I'm happy with the two McCormiks and that Traeger Rub for that I have for now until they start to run out.

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