John Setzler Posted September 10, 2020 Share Posted September 10, 2020 10 minutes ago, EZ smoke said: LOL "cheap stuff". Marketing to a higher client base is fine but the product needs to have features that make it worth more than the lower priced options. I do know what you are saying but you aren't being truthful with yourself if you think this isn't going to be compared to a kettle, Akorn or low end ceramics. "Worth more" is just as subjective as "Cheap Stuff." It's hard to convince a weber die hard that there is anything out there that is 'worth more' than the $100 kettle grill. "Worth" is more commonly defined by how much expendable income one has.. lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EZ smoke Posted September 10, 2020 Share Posted September 10, 2020 (edited) 23 minutes ago, John Setzler said: "Worth more" is just as subjective as "Cheap Stuff." It's hard to convince a weber die hard that there is anything out there that is 'worth more' than the $100 kettle grill. "Worth" is more commonly defined by how much expendable income one has.. lol Agreed on the first point as far as the terminology being subjective. "Expendable income" is only one variable for consumers... depending on the person it might be a significant variable but a lot more than "expendable income" goes into my purchasing decisions. Somethings "worth" or "value" is subjective but it is also a variable in the decision making process. I know what you are trying to say but my point is that it will be compared (compete) against other similar products regardless of who they market it to. IMO it is no different than the competition that is created within their own product-line with multiple products... for example this will compete at some level with the Classic... just like you have people debate on whether to get a Classic or Big Joe... etc. etc. Edited September 10, 2020 by EZ smoke Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SmallBBQr Posted September 10, 2020 Share Posted September 10, 2020 As a metal kamado (Keg) user, who's biggest issue with the Keg is that it is TOO well insulated, this looks like my perfect replacement. I'll by buying as soon as it's low/slow ability is proven. 1) Larger - the 22" size will be just what I crave when the 18" I have now feels just a bit tight for the rib racks, brisket etc. 2) Insulation - enough heat retention low down, but heat should drain enough to permit enough combustion to produce "good" smoke at low/slow temps. 3) Metal Weight vs Ceramic - I move my Keg around in my yard depending on wind conditions, outdoor temps etc. I have been avoiding going ceramic. 4) Cost. Been eyeing the Weber Summit...but I feel the cost is outrageous for what it is. I can swallow this KJ metal cost. As per the "value"....at $700 (likely the Canadian $$ price)....it's value enough for my budget etc. Smokingdadbbq 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EZ smoke Posted September 10, 2020 Share Posted September 10, 2020 That makes perfect sense to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Polar Bear Posted September 10, 2020 Share Posted September 10, 2020 I'll be curios to see how it stacks up side by side with the Weber Master Touch Premium Kettle I'm not a kettle guy, so i cant look at both and see an upside to the Kettle Joe over the Weber That having been said, as a KJ owner, I'd be more likely to drop $320 on a tried and true Weber than $500 on a KJ Kettle based simply on the fact that Weber know kettles better than i think KJ does But thats just me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Setzler Posted September 11, 2020 Share Posted September 11, 2020 I can't make myself view this as a kettle grill. It's a lightweight metal kamado grill. I can't even begin to compare it to any kettle grill I have ever seen. Is the fact that its 22" and metal the only thing that makes this like a weber? It's differnent in every other aspect. Scott Roberts and Smokingdadbbq 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrunkenMeatFist Posted September 11, 2020 Author Share Posted September 11, 2020 12 minutes ago, John Setzler said: I can't make myself view this as a kettle grill. It's a lightweight metal kamado grill. I can't even begin to compare it to any kettle grill I have ever seen. Is the fact that its 22" and metal the only thing that makes this like a weber? It's differnent in every other aspect. Are you telling me that kettle grills don't come with a ceramic firepot? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BURGER MEISTER Posted September 11, 2020 Share Posted September 11, 2020 30 minutes ago, DrunkenMeatFist said: Are you telling me that kettle grills don't come with a ceramic firepot? I've never seen a weber kettle grill with a ceramic firepot, but then again, I don't get out much anymore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EZ smoke Posted September 11, 2020 Share Posted September 11, 2020 (edited) It's called the "Kettle Joe" so maybe that is why kettle grills come to mind. I think that it's a hybrid between a kettle and a kamado ... we'll see how it performs when compared with the two different styled grills. Call it whatever you want... a lightweight kamado grill or a heavyweight kettle grill neither is right or wrong. Again, I'll be curious to see how it performs in various grilling operations when compared to other style grills. Edited September 11, 2020 by EZ smoke nobius 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brandon Store Posted September 11, 2020 Share Posted September 11, 2020 I have a big joe 3 and was considering getting a kettle as a side kick..... probably buying this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philpom Posted September 11, 2020 Share Posted September 11, 2020 Interesting for sure. I did buy a Weber Master Touch as a side kick to my Primo, it's pretty nice. The one thing I like about it above the Primo is being able to dump char, splash with "the fluid" and light. The ceramic insert might be good for stability on this cooker but for me it eliminates the advantage of the quick fire. Don't get me wrong, it's interesting for sure. I hope it can cook without the "slow roller" in place. I would have rather seen a double wall steel fire box instead of the ceramic insert, lighter and more durable while still providing a more efficient fire. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Misguided Posted September 11, 2020 Share Posted September 11, 2020 With multiple new products coming out, I wonder if they will be catching up on orders anytime soon. Smokingdadbbq 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Setzler Posted September 11, 2020 Share Posted September 11, 2020 Now I know why its 22". Thst sloroller will fit on a weber kettle. That might be a smart marketing move... Smokingdadbbq, TKOBBQ and Brandon Store 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freddyjbbq Posted September 11, 2020 Share Posted September 11, 2020 looks like theyre incorporating the design of the Desora Grill (same company who invented the Slo Roller and sofware for new ikamand) TKOBBQ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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